Comments on: Who does Midat Chassidut apply to? https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/ Practicing Judaism without all the pain Tue, 25 Mar 2025 02:22:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Aaron Abadi https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3885 Tue, 25 Mar 2025 02:22:31 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3885 In reply to Netanel Colish.

Sit and learn the Mesilat Yesharim carefully and thoroughly and you’ll get a good clarity of all that.

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By: Netanel Colish https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3873 Mon, 24 Mar 2025 19:20:21 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3873 In reply to Aaron Abadi.

Got it, thank you!

Follow up question:

I learned from you that the ramchal presents a step-by-step spiritual ladder, beginning with foundational responsibilities and gradually progressing toward higher levels of refinement and closeness to Hashem.

He starts with Zehirut—being careful not to transgress negative commandments, followed by Zerizut—enthusiastic fulfillment of positive commandments. Only after these are solidly in place does he move on to Nekiyut (inner cleanliness), Perishut (separation from even permissible indulgences that could lead to sin), and only then Chassidut, the attribute of going beyond the letter of the law (lifnim mishurat hadin).

My question is, where do Minhagim fall into this framework? Under which category? If any at all?

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By: Aaron Abadi https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3871 Mon, 24 Mar 2025 09:31:18 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3871 In reply to Netanel Colish.

Nope. There are Minhagim and there is midat Chassidut. Each is its own category.

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By: Netanel Colish https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3858 Mon, 24 Mar 2025 07:54:57 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3858 In reply to Aaron Abadi.

That makes sense, thank you! So are Minhagim (customs) all considered Midat Chassidut as a general rule of thumb?

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By: Aaron Abadi https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3841 Sun, 23 Mar 2025 12:59:35 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3841 In reply to Netanel Colish.

If a practice is not brought down explicitly in Halachah, it is generally considered Midat Chassidut. That said, there’s an important nuance: if someone is sincerely working on themselves and finds that certain Kabbalistic concepts speak to them deeply and help elevate their personal avodah (spiritual work), then such practices may be meaningful even if the person hasn’t yet reached the level typically associated with Midat Chassidut.

That being said, it’s crucial to examine the motivation behind such practices. Often, the desire to take on Midat Chassidut-type behaviors comes from ego — wanting others to notice how spiritual or special we are. That motivation is unhelpful and ultimately counterproductive.

As a general rule, I would avoid engaging in any Midat Chassidut that cannot be done entirely in private.

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By: Netanel Colish https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3837 Sun, 23 Mar 2025 11:18:20 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3837 Is Kabbalah considered Midat Chassidut? In the context of doing kabbalistic things.

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By: Netanel Colish https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3834 Sun, 23 Mar 2025 07:25:24 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3834 I really appreciate the in depth explanation. Thank you!

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By: Aaron Abadi https://kashrut.org/who-does-midat-chassidut-apply-to/#comment-3828 Sun, 23 Mar 2025 05:18:30 +0000 https://kashrut.org/?p=19302#comment-3828 When discussing when a person should be concerned with or begin to practice midat chassidut (the attribute of piety), it’s important to look at the structured approach laid out by the Mesilat Yesharim. Ramchal presents a step-by-step spiritual ladder, beginning with foundational responsibilities and gradually progressing toward higher levels of refinement and closeness to Hashem.

He starts with Zehirut—being careful not to transgress negative commandments, followed by Zerizut—enthusiastic fulfillment of positive commandments. Only after these are solidly in place does he move on to Nekiyut (inner cleanliness), Perishut (separation from even permissible indulgences that could lead to sin), and only then Chassidut, the attribute of going beyond the letter of the law (lifnim mishurat hadin).

So, midat chassidut is not the starting point; it is something one should only pursue after having built a strong foundation in halachic observance, self-discipline, and spiritual integrity. Practicing chassidut prematurely can lead to misguided priorities or even spiritual arrogance, which defeats the purpose of this lofty trait. It’s for someone who already demonstrates deep sincerity, consistency in mitzvah observance, and humility in their avodat Hashem.

Therefore, a person should only begin to focus on midat chassidut after they have internalized and habituated the earlier steps. It is not about being more religious externally, but about being more refined and God-conscious internally, in a way that overflows into one’s conduct with both Hashem and others.

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